Baker Street with Thom Pollard

Episode 9 - How to Be a Fighter Pilot and how one fighter pilot gives back to the community

June 11, 2019 Season 1 Episode 9
Baker Street with Thom Pollard
Episode 9 - How to Be a Fighter Pilot and how one fighter pilot gives back to the community
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Baker Street with Thom Pollard
Episode 9 - How to Be a Fighter Pilot and how one fighter pilot gives back to the community
Jun 11, 2019 Season 1 Episode 9
Thom Pollard
The qualities of a fighter pilot are the same that make one successful in other areas of life.
Show Notes Transcript

What are the qualities that make a leader? What qualities make a good fighter pilot? Believe it or not, those qualities that make a fighter pilot are those that make one successful in other areas of life. Meet Uva Rama, an F-16 pilot from Singapore who has devoted his so-called retirement years to giving back to the community. Interviewed in Kathmandu, Nepal, where he makes his home, Uva now has taken on the task of developing a company that outfits expeditions to the top of the world, Mount Everest. 

Music in the episode is from Metyu, VKTRD & Ondro M., found on the Free Music Archive. For more information on Thom Pollard, please visit eyesopenproductions.com. Click on Contact and sign up for his podcast newsletter for news and alerts to the next podcast. Please share with friends and family on your social media!

If you'd like more information on the work that Uva is doing, visit the company website at www.expeditionhimalaya.com, or email him directly at Uva@expeditionhimalaya.com



Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
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welcome to Baker street with Tom Pauler. Thank you for being here and to my regular listeners. Thank you for your patience and awaiting my episode number nine. It has been quite some time since episode eight was released and do too many, many unforeseen difficulties, some of them bad weather, some of them, some physical illnesses and some related just to distance and poor website reception. I was unable to get any podcasts out and you know, it was kind of good to take a little break as I toiled away on the biggest mountain in the world, which I call Choma Llama adopted from the Tibetans word for mother goddess of Mountains Chomolungma it was a beautiful expedition and I got to meet many fine people along the way. And that brings me to the guest that we will discuss many life experiences with today. A gentleman by the name of Uva, Raj Rama, a Singapore in gentleman who became a fighter pilot in the Singapore air force.
Speaker 3:
2:50
And then when on instead of retiring like he could have, he went on to do work to give back to run welfare homes and is in Kathmandu, Nepal, where I conducted this interview about a week ago and discussed with him his desire to give back why it is something that he feels like he wants to do and what it is that he's done. And he is a fighter pilot through and through, but one of the nicest guys I've ever met. So as we get ready to interview Uva and me to introduce him to you, we first heard the sounds of a [inaudible] being performed in base camp in Tibet by a Sherpa who was a Llama, uh, trained as a lama and he was performing a Pooja ceremony one evening in base camp to help ensure the success of climbing expedition members who were up on Mount Everest and pretty cool sounds.
Speaker 3:
3:58
And then I meld it into it. The sounds of met you VKT K, t r d and Andro m a band that I have played before on Baker Street with Tom. Paul heard the song is improvisation one off of their improvisations volume to release from radio bunker. These guys are from Slovakia. I love them. They're awesome. Great groove music that I really enjoy seeing and hearing and hopefully we can find more out from these guys in the coming months or years and if you want to find out more about them you can look them up on the Free Music Archive, which is where I got this cut. But without further ado, I'd like to introduce you to a remarkable young man named Uva Raj Rama.
Speaker 4:
5:06
All right to my guests, I want to introduce a new friend of mine who I suspect will be a lifelong friend, a great gentleman who makes an impression on you from his kindness and his his. His demeanor is so lovely and friendly, but when you dig a little bit deeper and learn about his past, this gentleman has a past that shows a much more fierce and strong and persistent champion attitude that I just had to introduce him to my Baker Street with Tom Pollard podcast. His name is Uva Raj Rama and he is from Singapore. And now lives in Kathmandu. Welcome. Thank you for taking the time to talk to me. Thank you all for having me on. And thank you for kind words. I know. I'm not just trying to butter you up. It's true. You Ha there's something about you that is very gentle and kind and the smile.
Speaker 4:
6:19
And I will also say just before we get and talk to Uva about his background and what he's doing now, um, he's one person who actually takes time to dress nicely in Kathmandu. So is this, is does this, thank you. It's just that there are people, people pretty much grub out in this city. It's, it's a, it's a warm, humid yeah. Uh, you know, kind of a subtropical place. So tell me a little bit about your background. You're from Singapore. That's right. And you are in your late thirties. We're just gonna leave it at that. You're a lot younger than me, but, um, but I like to think that I'm a, you know, we're peers. Yeah. Yeah. Um, tell me about your life. So you're from Singapore. What, what are your beginnings? How did this all happen? That was, I was bought in Singapore. Yeah.
Speaker 5:
7:18
I think at the age of 17 and 18, if any to military service. I spoke on buzzfeed military service. Um, then on I've been on to officer candidate school, got selected to become an officer and subsequently a signed up to become a pilot. Wow. Yeah. Um, it's been, uh, it's been a lifelong ambition for me to become a pilot. And, uh, when I, when I got the job as a Singapore air force pilot, he was a dream come true.
Speaker 4:
7:43
Okay. So you, first thing you said was compulsory, so does that mean everybody serves in the military and the Republic of Singapore?
Speaker 5:
7:50
That's right. At, uh, from the age of 18 for two and a half years.
Speaker 4:
7:54
And um, so for you, you probably w I think what it, what it seems to have done for you is it, it started to get some gears turning and you started thinking, well, since I have to spend two and a half years, I might as well do something really cool that I love to do.
Speaker 5:
8:10
Hmm. Um, kind of for me, my focus, because we have this first three months of basically tutoring and the top 10% of this cohort gets selected for officer candidate school. And I wanted to be part of this top 10%. That was the first motivation. Yeah. If you do it, you do it best. I don't delete it all. Yeah. So yeah. So I went in, I was the top 10% and we've been on to officer candidate school and that's when I thought, hey, that center to your pilot, because the pilot is a top 5% or something. Yeah. So Yup. I just putting the benchmarks for myself to test myself, to improve myself, to see whether I can attain those benchmarks and uh, yeah, I guess it's something which my dad taught me when I was young. Set goals for yourself. Achieve those goals. Yeah. And many a, I'll just keep you with a percent. Your word is gold. I abide by these principles. Yeah. So yeah, it's been an interesting journey, but a 15, 18 years of flying with their phones.
Speaker 4:
9:05
Okay. Well, so you became a pilot, which is cool. But what the people listening don't know is you became a pilot of one of the most incredible fighter jets that has ever been made on this planet, the s 16 base. Right. So you're not just some guy flying a piper cub, which is cool, but you're, we're talking about a lean mean fighting machines. So to fly an f 16, you're already part of the top 10%. And then you said some of the 5% of that it can, you know, get into that training, the fight of bicycle. What Ha, what purse, what small percentage of guys get to fly, fly and have 16.
Speaker 5:
9:53
Oh, I mean the last 10 or so, but um, by 80 of us went into the flying school and about nine of us or 10 of US got selected for fighter school. Yeah. Uh, because there's a lot of trainings we have to go to two years of training before we get our can and stuff like that. And where it says everything about you. Yeah. Your physiology, psychology, everything. Everything was like, yeah, but it's, it's, well, when wasn't a hell of a ride.
Speaker 4:
10:18
Yeah. So in all honesty, you as you said, they, they really drill you. I, I have a friend who's no longer living, but he was a friend of mine in college and he became a pilot and it was his dream to fly f 16 sand. Um, he, believe it or not, he was a pilot, uh, one of the copilots, um, during nine 11 in, in, in an American Airlines plane that was flown into one of the world trade centers. And to me, he represented everything that would be an f 16 pilot. He was coincidentally one of the nicest guys I've ever known, but he was, when he wanted something, it was bad and he just went, but it wasn't knocking other people down in the way. He just focus. And he had this laser, he just would look at you when it, and we'd go into you. It was a huge loss for this guy. But are you, that is be wary. Yeah. He's a brief moment, man. Oh God. He was such a good, good man. Um, but, but you talked about like the mental part. So did you ever feel like giving up or or did you get more resolute
Speaker 5:
11:38
every time I come to a point where I don't really recall coming to a final, when I give up. I mean, whenever the Glen guest as a guess, I just get more resident on wanting to, to make it. I think it makes me more to reach my goal. The more obstacles they are, the more and want to reach my goal. I think it's something from me from style. Uh, part of it is also because of my training in psychology, Israel, I'm also a psychology associate. It helps to recognize mental fatigue, mental stress, uh, burnout and you're approaching burnout and stuff like that, both in the students' sense and when you're flying, when you put too much gs and stuff. And, uh, if you know your body, you, you learn to recognize the limitations of your body and, uh, that's very key in handling yourself during those hygiene stressful flights.
Speaker 4:
12:27
So you said that your dad and I would imagine your mom as well, kind of just like, how were you raised? Were you one of many children or did what, what, what was your, what was your upbringing like?
Speaker 5:
12:40
I was the eldest of two children. Uh, I've got a brother and a sister. Uh, my, my parents were pretty strict with us. I was usually the, the naughty one, the two active, I can never sit still for very long. My Dad is, is that there's a period of time and he, he left me alone at home when I was three years old, I think. Then he, he went out to the shop then have any, he came back, he saw me doing something and he was like, what are you doing? Apparently what I did was I took all the, I asked my, I remember my dad was telling me, I asked him for allowance, uh, I wonder green by some, some tid bits in Austria as well. He said, no. So I took all the stuff from inside my home. I laid it out on the veranda outside and are sending it to me.
Speaker 4:
13:27
Oh my dad. Yeah. You have a good fuse. So your dad wasn't mad. He was impressed. He was mad. [inaudible] price positions. I would say like laughing, you know, I mean, and that we still talk about it once in a while. You see shares with this agent, this guy, oh my God. And there was at three years old man. So what am I remember him? So you, so you don't remember what you saw that it wasn't like some like his grandfather's wedding. What? He's collectibles, let's call it a lot of AP system and I was selling to my neighbors doing so did you have to do, I don't know, did he have to go back and re buy it back from the people? No, David didn't, didn't, didn't know my family is, you're just humoring you there. So yeah,
Speaker 5:
14:13
so my, yeah, my man, my parents were, uh, I mean the, the, the, they raised us up with good values, but a principal's giving principals, I mean, uh, the thing about keeping our word is very important. Didn't, don't promise blindly. I think twice before I give my word to someone. If I have a doubt of doing something, I'll just see. I'll try. But if I know I can do that, I said Yep, no worries. Yeah. So it's kind of like stuck with me all these years. Yeah. And it's helped me to my career. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 4:
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you know, it's, it's really interesting because the people who pursue the truth of, of what's inside of them, it takes on all shapes and sizes and colors and variations. And here you are. Had you been born in say the United States or, or even just outside of Singapore, right? We're talking Malaysia, all these different places we're were, or even in Katmandu, um, who knows? Who knows what you might have done, but what's really cool is like, so you figure you become an f 16 pilot. I'm, I'm guessing. I doubt it, but no, no, I shouldn't guess anything. But did you ever train with any like were there, where does the United States, yes. So how do you like, is that how you learn how to fly in a 16 or is it all from within Singapore?
Speaker 5:
15:40
Yeah. I turned a few places. France, United States. I spent a couple of years in Arizona, a couple of years in dog in France. Yeah. We have, we have advanced training. We have a joint trainings with, so they begin learn from each other. The US air force as well as, as the French chef was a few other places around the, around the world as well. And Australia as well, either based in Australia to the basic fight training and stuff like that. And of course Singapore to another local essbase based things and stuff. So yeah, a couple of places. So he was two years in borough fluctuating. And um,
Speaker 4:
16:12
so any, was there any chance or a time that you thought maybe you'd have to go into action or like any, like, I dunno [inaudible] did you have to ever have to go and fly into like battles so to speak? Or was there no active?
Speaker 5:
16:28
Oh, the, the uh, they were kind of, uh, kind of, um, complex scenarios. Yeah. Um, I, I wouldn't want the, Amelia is conflict. I'll just say a normal, normal intercept, normal checking and identify aircraft scenarios and stuff like that. Yeah. And a couple of other missions
Speaker 4:
16:46
that you can't talk about. That's right. Really seriously. You can't like, that's pretty cool. So like, yeah, because it's classified.
Speaker 5:
16:54
That's right. Huh? That's interesting. Okay. I learned a lot from all of lis all across the world. I learned a lot from them as well. Why was that first? The friendship was naming Australian. That was everywhere.
Speaker 4:
17:06
Okay. That's really, really awesome. Um, so here you are in Katmandu Nepal and I'm guessing there aren't many of sixteens here in Katmandu. Yeah, only Topa. So a lot of choppers. I as a, as a mount Everest climb or on the south side, there's a Lotta Lotta choppers, like the helicopters coming in and out. Um, I, uh, I like to ask, so how did you end up here? And you told me earlier that you've been in Katmandu for about 10 months, so it sounds like are you're entering a new career phase that as 16 is now with past PR. You could jump in one and fly it, but you're doing something different now. Tell, how did you end up here? All right, that's a pretty long story. Okay. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah. All right.
Speaker 5:
17:58
Um, all right. Well I was, um, I mean after 15, 16 years of flying a decided to step back and um, I came out of the air force for a while then I was, I wanted to give something back to the community. So that was running to welfare homes, one foot, uh, percents with, uh, mental disabilities and one persons with physical disabilities as well as a h related disabilities, uh, like uh, and stitch care kind of homes. So I was running these two different homes. Um, and uh, one more was for those who are abused children, why aren't shooting, we're often as well. So these homes were in Singapore and I came out of these efforts. Then I was thinking, okay, it's time for me to do something back for the community. What shall I do? And Yup. I got the chance to run these homes and I, and I read them.
Speaker 5:
18:49
I read them, I read the Psalms, I got the shape up. The, the military. Jenny helped me to base the foundation to base the structure of the homes and to revive the homes to make it more, um, savvy and making more sharp and uh, yeah, the focus on the residents. My, my background is psychology. Help me understand, um, how do we deliver the best care possible in the most with [inaudible] to those facing end of life stage and those who have faced, um, trauma in their lives as well. So they kind of like, um, I loved it. Yeah. Yep. So I was running that for a couple of couple of years as well. Um, and also doing, um, consultancy for management. I was advising, um, some businesses. And how do you, uh, leadership management and leadership? How do you, how do you, how do you develop leaders?
Speaker 5:
19:39
Yeah. What makes a leader. Yeah. But what makes a leader Dick, what are the qualities call values of a leader? The core core values defined a leader, right? And when these core values have always, always have to be in a leader, you know, any one of these, uh, are not in balance or out of sync. It's going to be, it's going to sell it spelled trouble for the leadership. So I did a couple of talks on, on those as well. And uh, what I was doing this, I met Jimmy Magnus. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I actually knew he's a partner from the Singapore navy. So then Jimmy came asked me if I was keen to come away and there was this company here in Nepal. Can you come over, help see if we can develop this company, putting some of your ideas and thoughts, make it sharp. And she, I say, Hey,
Speaker 4:
20:26
why not? Wow.
Speaker 5:
20:28
A tons for me to make a difference is what makes me tick. Yeah. Chance any chance for me to make a difference in anything I do makes me go get it no matter which way. And you were in the wall. Yeah. If there's any, anything anywhere in the world, I know I can make a difference, I would go and make a difference. Yeah. I believe in making an impact. Yeah. We are here for a purpose. I don't know what my purpose is, but I'd hate to make an impact. That's what I know. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So I came out to come and do it, but 10 months ago, thanks to the GME, instead of learning the ropes of this, um, company expansion Himalaya, she's a fantastic option. Yeah. So got to know the staff. Um, yeah, it was my biggest challenge here was um, I didn't want to force down the Singapore level of efficiency into the existing level of the in country standards because that's not phasey because in country they've got their own protocols, their own default system of functioning.
Speaker 5:
21:26
I can come from somewhere and then foster my system to do them. So what I was trying to do this last few months to find a common ground where I can meet them halfway, the Naipaul efficiency, halfway Singapore efficiency have anyway. I get much them and I'm glad to say that. Yeah. Kind of like done that, done that. Um, so the last few expeditions were pretty good. Yeah. We had a couple of, uh, roughly just to smooth up. I am going to be honest about that, but it's a working process but it's so much better than how it was before. Yeah. And company is developing. We recently got rated by TripAdvisor as well. Um, yeah, and y'all be on track. I've got certain goals for the company, which I want them to hit like a chip excellence awards and stuff like that. So I'm putting these in and then my guys, as we're setting them for leadership training, especially my shippers, I think in Naipaul, the shippers need some form of leadership training.
Speaker 5:
22:19
We are training. I don't think they actually have it here. So me and Jimmy were thinking about doing a professional development training for the shippers. Oh, so I'm going to start one next year. Fantastic leadership per se. If this goes well, we probably include other shippers in Israel just to this, to this, to teach them how you carry yourself. You know, they're very good in technical skills. But what about the peers? Jews, you know, how to speak your guests, how they speak to your clients, how do you empathize, you know, the quality that that's very important up there. High in high mountains. So this is something you have, we're gonna we're going to work on. Yeah,
Speaker 4:
22:54
that's incredible. And I, I'm gonna jump in there. So Jamie McGuinness who UVA has spoken about who asked him to come over to help run expedition Himalaya. Uh, Jamie is a six time summitter of Mount Everest. He has been on virtually dozens of 8,000 meter peak climbing expeditions and I've known Jamie for probably 10 years but never really known him until recently where we partook in a, in an expedition together and Tibet and um, and yeah, so Jamie's partner is Singaporean, right? And that, and so, yeah. So Jamie, fortunately and I sometimes I, I there are no mistakes in this world. I think it was probably meant to be and you were looking or running successfully, some incredible organizations. But Boy Jamie scored when he crossed paths with you and the fact that you accepted his offer, it sounds like a big challenge because try running an expedition company, whether its tracks in La doc or an expedition to mount Everest, there's so many moving parts and there's so many things that can go wrong.
Speaker 4:
24:11
Let's take for instance, you think the team is driving back home from China into Kathmandu and then there's rains and an entire half of a road washes out. So everybody gets stuck on one side and they dig his deck. And how do you get 12, 15 tons of equipment across a gap between where two roads should actually be just one. Yeah. Um, it's really, really exciting that the thing that resonated with me, obviously there's a dozen things I could ask you about, but you talked about the Sherpa cause the Sherpa are such a vital part of success on anything from a track to get to the summit of Mount Everest or any other peak. You really nailed it. There's a lot of organizations, or not a lot, but there are organizations that are starting to teach technical abilities. Um, the Khumbu climbing school for instance in fort say in Nepal, which is just being dedicated I think tomorrow or the next day for the first time.
Speaker 4:
25:19
And it's an indoor climbing wall. So the Sherpa become proficient at the technical aspect. But as a guy who's been on a number of expeditions and it's okay, but, but you nailed it. It's there. There are some Sherpa who might have a little shyness about their inability to speak English or Spanish or French or whatever it might be. But you know, it's, it's easy to say this as a, as an American or someone from North America, but just learning English can connect so many cultures on an expedition because everybody, I hate to say it cause I'm not a self centered, like our country is the center of all activity in the world, but if some of these short but just learn how to speak some really basic English, it connects, it builds bridges and suddenly there's working that people are working together. Um, yeah. And uh, well I would like to volunteer to at least be a part of that in whatever way I might help because that's a phenomenal idea and I've never really heard anybody talk about that before.
Speaker 4:
26:38
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. It's something which I'm really pushing. This can be done. I think d we needed to do a lot for that, for the ship. But yeah, if, um, if somebody would be interested in learning more about some of the work that you've done is, do you have any, uh, like the, the, you said you were running hones in Singapore. It's right. Is there a, if somebody wanted to help or participate or, or, or be of assistance in some of the things that you've spoken about today, is there a place that I could send them? Would they go to expedition Himalaya and send you an email or I think probably send me an email. Okay. I'll probably call me at my local number, I guess. Oh, what does that mean and why? By meal? I'm on WHATSAPP. Viber, emo, everything. Okay. Well what I'll do is I'll put in the notes to this podcast a place that they can reach you.
Speaker 4:
27:34
I'll probably leave the phone number out. So all of a sudden you're not inundated with fans. I want to meet an s 16 pilot. He's single, you know, all these women who listen. Cause I've had so many followers who are single women who want to look for an at an enterprising guy. Yeah. Um, but, but I want to thank you so much and I wish you every success in the things that you're doing. Thank you so much though. And you've, I mean, if any, if you continue pursuing that idea, I don't even really know how I could help other than maybe help you bring people to you that might be, have a financial resources or know some things. I would love to help because that, this is, this is the, one of the things I did in one of my, my podcasts earlier, uh, about 19 years ago, I had an opportunity to interview Sir Edmund Hillary as many people who listen to this podcast know he and Tenzing Norgay were the first people to climb Mount Everest citrus successfully in 1953.
Speaker 4:
28:47
And the one thing about Ed Hillary is after he summited Mount Everest, he was given world fame. He, I don't know if he was a brilliantly wealthy man, but, but fortune. And what he did was he spent the rest of his life giving back beauties with the people of the Khumbu region and to Nepal. It's reforesting. He built schools, hospitals, he gave back and that was, he never wanted people to say your incredible, he was like, no, oops, I just gave his age. All right ladies is 39 um, you could have retired and you're going to keep on working hard. But he would've given me the sense of how I'm feeling now. That sounds like getting back, that sense of game day is a good sense of, I feel. Hmm.
Speaker 5:
29:42
Yeah, I always had that. Yeah. Putting a smile on someone's face buried in a counseling session of being in a one to one session is something that makes my day. It's incredible all the time. That's incredible. Well, thank you so much for being a part of Baker Street with Tom Pollard. It is an honor to be your friend. Pleasure is mine. My own at the same as well. Thank you so much. Thank you so much don
Speaker 2:
30:06
[inaudible].
Speaker 3:
30:33
What a really cool guy and I so enjoyed my conversation with him. I knew from the beginning when I met you've a, that he was the kind of person that I'd like to have on Baker Street with Tom Pollard. I don't think that you need to become an f 16 fighter pilot to be appropriate for this podcast. But what really fit the bill is that instead of retiring, which he easily could have done and still volunteered and things like that, you've, uh, went on to run to welfare homes. He said at one point there were in different homes at 150 residents and 70 different staff, which is pretty incredible. And what he did with his psychology background, he had an aptitude for counseling, whether it was orphaned, abused children or our children whose parents were incarcerated, or people with mental, physical or medical challenges and help those people transform their lives.
Speaker 3:
31:56
It seems to me in some respects that says an important job as being an a pilot who helps defend the security of a, of a country. So he really reached down deep and gave back to his community. I was really my good fortune that I had the opportunity to meet you've, uh, as the person who helps run a company called Expedition Himalaya. And that was the name that you had heard earlier. Jamie mcinnis is a guy that I've known for some years and Jamie and mcinnis is a, as a climbing guide and a trekking guide who has tagged Everest on six different occasions. And he was the one who threw his partner, a woman who was also in the Singapore air force, met Uva and asked you to come and take the challenge of trying to run expedition Himalaya and to help grow it. And I have no doubt in my mind that uvas experience enthusiasm, intelligence and stick to it iveness will have a huge impact.
Speaker 3:
33:11
So if you'd like to find him, I will post his email address on the notes to this podcast. He might be worth reaching out to if you have any thoughts or ideas or want to learn more about the programs that he had involved himself in. Anyway, next week I look, I, I dunno, it's going to be tough to match that one, but each week I'll endeavor to bring on a guest or tell a story that is of interest to you and hopefully we can continue to grow our fan base and our listener base. You've, uh, again, sums up really the idea behind Baker's street with Tom Pauler. I've said this every time we create our reality with the thoughts that we empower. And you've, uh, was somebody who really took his thoughts and his dreams and his desires and made them become reality, whether it was trying to hawk his father's a collectibles when he was three years old to go get sweets at, uh, the store downtown or becoming an f 16 fighter pilot.
Speaker 3:
34:30
You've, uh, when he had a vision and a desire, he made it come true. I think he can be an inspiration for all of us. I know for sure he is for me and as a guy who's darn near old enough to be his dad, you know, I still look at people like that and I think there's so much more than I can do with my life. So many things that I can do to improve not only my life, but, but the, the atmosphere in the positivity of those who I come into contact with. So as I say, we create our reality with the thoughts we empower. I believe that just in in my good fortune, it wasn't a mistake that I met someone like Uva and I hope you've enjoyed listening to him as much as I did interviewing him, so thank you very much for listening.
Speaker 3:
35:24
Again, you had heard the music of met You v K t r d and Andro em off of their improvisations volume to release, which can be found on the free music archive. If you're interested in finding out more about me or in joining the mailing list or in sharing Baker street with Tom Pollard, with friends or family or people that you come into contact, go to my website, eyes open productions.com and on the top you can see a contact button. Click it and write me a short note and say, Hey, I'd like to join your mailing list so I can give you guys first dibs on the next Baker's street that comes out. Also, I would love it if you shared it on social media and told people you can put it on Instagram with a link. You can put it on Facebook, Twitter, whatever works for you.
Speaker 3:
36:24
And I would be honored to have you share this with others because as we endeavor to make this a better world to live in, we need to spread our positivity and our thoughts and those things do impact people's lives even if we only come into contact them with them for such a short time. So let's make this world a better place. Let's make this a place that's more positive and kind and, and a place where people can grow and prosper and not worry about whatever shortcomings they might judge themselves to have or, or not judge others shortcomings because judgment really is, is, is that the route of questioning the truth of who we really are. So be kind to yourself and when you look in the mirror, no judgment beat, just be kind, um, except where you are. Endeavor to be a better person and more kind and make this a better place to live. Thank you for visiting me on Baker Street with Tom Pollard. I look forward to seeing you and hearing from you as often as you ever want to write me. Thank you so much and I will be seeing you real soon.
Speaker 2:
37:46
[inaudible] [inaudible].
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